Agisoft Metashape
Agisoft Metashape => General => Topic started by: Marcel on April 14, 2014, 11:10:30 AM
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What happened to it? Suddenly it's gone, or have I been dreaming?
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It could be removed by topic starter.
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That sucks. You should disable that feature in the forum software. It's ok if they want to delete the contents of their own posts, but they are also deleting posts by other users if they remove the whole thread.
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:'(
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WTF? That isn't cool.
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+1 with Marcel.
There are so many sub-conversations and knowledge sharing that goes on in a thread that being able to delete an entire thread just because you were the original creator is something that needs to be restricted. Allow them to delete their posts, edit them, etc. But not kill off a valuable thread.
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+1 with Marcel.
There are so many sub-conversations and knowledge sharing that goes on in a thread that being able to delete an entire thread just because you were the original creator is something that needs to be restricted. Allow them to delete their posts, edit them, etc. But not kill off a valuable thread.
+1 !!!!
Cheers,
MC
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It was here a couple days ago and it simply disappeared after someone made a long comment with some suggestions that were in contradiction with some of the things spoken during the seminar.
It was a thread started by jeffreyianwilson
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Crap, I just started a thread asking about this and didn't see this one. I think the thread got closed after someone replied with a few comments that were in contradiction with what was said in the seminar?
Maybe there was an argument about it?
I may be mistaken though.
I thought the seminar was really informational and showed a lot of cool stuff I didnt know and also the comments on the thread were very good too. It is a shame.
Leo
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Sorry I just found another thread that is talking about this.
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Or its because its not good to share EVERYTHING with everyone ?!?!
Guys, try and experiment yourself, when need help try contact people here with PM or email, im sure a lot of us WILL share info but want-will not that go so freely... see here are 1000s of people using PSCAN and SHARE nothing.. they just take, not giving anything back.....
with PM you can get friends, business partners and etc....
i know you will be a bit angry of what i write, but later you will understand deeper meaning of this.... In this forum is one of the most active from a lot of sw-hw solutions, a lot of just in second reply of your Q/A..... so keep it this way, and if need something just send PM, ask nicely and highly probably you get response..... OK ?
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+1 Wishgranter
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Hi Wishgranter, I know you are right 100% because I see that happening all the time, but I don't think there was anything that he shared on the thread, everything was shared on the seminar and it was very nice from him but the thread only had some information from someone else that answered pointing out some differences.
Anyway, it is true that sometimes most people take a lot of information for granted and want all the experienced people to share all the tricks with them without thinking of giving anything back themselves.
And soon I will have to start sharing my experiences since I am getting to the point where I will have something useful to share :)
Leo
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Or its because its not good to share EVERYTHING with everyone ?!?!
Given that the webinar, which is still available [1], was basically the short version of a paid training class [2] the presenter is planning to run I highly doubt that trade secrets were the reason for the threads removal.
[1] http://www.zbrushworkshops.com/content/jeffrey-wilsons-photogrammetry-webinar-replay?inf_contact_key=5e1c43b948773a6ced871061894344a3837a6b1f4314e9b59fc037af51e249b7
[2] http://www.zbrushworkshops.com/content/creating-3d-models-textures-from-photos-with-jeffrey-ian-wilson
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Or its because its not good to share EVERYTHING with everyone ?!?!
Guys, try and experiment yourself, when need help try contact people here with PM or email, im sure a lot of us WILL share info but want-will not that go so freely... see here are 1000s of people using PSCAN and SHARE nothing.. they just take, not giving anything back.....
Sorry, but I don't agree. I see too many people dealing with exactly the same problems on this forum ("my scans don't align" or "why are my scans low quality", etc). Many of these problems have simple solutions, but to figure those out by experimenting yourself takes a lot of time (or perhaps knowledge about topics like photography you do not have).
Keeping 'the secrets' to yourself might give you a professional head start for a short while, but in the end Photoscan is just a tool. Your professional value should be about the creative work your create, not knowing which buttons to push.
In fact I think Agisoft themselves should invest time and money in making really good tutorials on the whole process of doing a 3D scan. There is a real buzz from the whole 3D community about Photoscan, giving people a really good basic foundation on how it works will get much more people involved (and in turn help improve the program).
I'm planning to write a tutorial myself in the future, but with only 6 months of actual Photoscan use I'm not feeling qualified yet. (Besides that fact that writing good tutorials takes a lot of time and effort!).
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What this forum has needed for a long time is a face/body scanning FAQ thread that is permanently pinned at the top of the page...
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Again, in this forum are a LOT of user, even more are not registered.. from my view here are active approx 25+- users !!!! So how they "reward" work of us ? they write at least THANX ? no :-(
OK this will be a "little" selfish but:
a lot of people jump on the photogrammetry "train" and they do some work, they say im the good one, generating models without optimizations, "tricks" and few more things, then they get work for CHEAP, they undercut prices and when its here say good project, something bigger what involves EXPERTISE on how to process it perfect they win it because they set low prices, we can do it with left hand. Then the client get ROUGHT results, is upset, and cease to use externall services, because he try it later with standard settings on same dataset, get same results as the cheap one and say WHY should i pay a even more to someone ??? ? can do it myself :-D
few of my external work was so that i need reconstruct model more than 10 times (28+H) to get the results that was wort the money...... who has done it this way ?? no one because they think AGI is magical tool, it is not, and mostly not in beginner hands..... Yes not everyone is a PRO, but overall the quality is failing down...... Therefore its better to contact people here with PM or email, ask for help, but mostly you do ask the "easy" things without reading ANY book about photogrammetry, any whitepaper and want professional outputs without knowlege...... Don?t worry its same with laser scanners, when 15 companies come to win bigger work and they cannot do simple easy object, present DEMO project what is possible, and later they win a part of the project ( go cheap ), they start to ask for help on it, how to solve it !!!! im get angry, and that the same here.....
Tutorials - it depend on what want - need to do, mostly the special stuff is solved on project-to-project basis. If interested will create a TUTORIAL thread where can write on what precise you want to see.... OK ?
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No need to get angry... I was merely agreeing with some other posts here that a lot of the questions are generally the basic ones and these are constantly repeated... the obvious solution to this is to have a pinned FAQ thread like many many other forums have.
I'm not sure if your rant was aimed at me or others, but I would just like to point out that I've been using Photoscan for years for face scanning, it was me that suggested to Lee (Infinite) that he should try the software, the rest is history... the whole reason all these "mini-me" 3D printing companies sprang up in the last few years is due to Lee openly talking about his Photoscan process.
Just to put that in context I have never made a single penny from using Photoscan, i don't offer a scanning service, I design and build hardware.
In regard to people supplying scan services "on the cheap" of course people are going to come along and undercut prices that is the nature of the world we live in.
But professional companies are always willing to pay more for quality and experience, where as you would not return to someone who did a bad job never mind how cheap it was.
In the world I come from we have a saying "You are only as good as your last gig!"
The often repeated questions here are:
What camera should i use ?
what lens ?
What camera settings ?
What lighting ?
How to control multiple cameras ?
How to download from multiple cameras ?
How to solve problem of certain textile/clothings ?
What is wrong with having these in a FAQ thread ?
Of course there could be other FAQ related to the processing side as well.
Cheers,
Mala
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Sorry but you can't stuff the genie back in the bottle by trying to keep knowledge a "secret" that is pure BS...IMHO of course. If people don't want to share knowledge that is fair enough... but trust me, someone else will do it... and for free and those are the people who will actually grow their business in the "digital" marketplace. That cat is well and truly out of the bag.
Let's put it this way, I would have considered investing in the guys seminar... but now... no freaking way.
Good luck guys.
MC
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I think Agi should do what other software packages do, despite Photoscan Standard being cheap, offer free upgrades, beta program,etc... for people willing to be involved in such program. Participants get wishes heard in less noisy environment, there are discussions on features etc.. Those users should share workflows, demo and example scenes... for public in return. I am active (most of the time) part of beta programs for couple 3d apps and return you get from that is most of the time good, developers adding features that most beta participants voted, etc... From my perspective, Standard version is cheap and we have it, i would love to own Pro because of the couple features that would help me in work but the price is to high. I think there are a few users who could help with tutorials/examples and get something from Agi in return for time and knowledge invested. Its NOT dig at Agi its just suggestion, as community will rise and more and more people will use Photoscan it needs great base of knowledge.
M2c,
Admir
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8) a GOOD discusion - take it as a way to say AGI team what you think, what can be improved..........
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OK this will be a "little" selfish but:
a lot of people jump on the photogrammetry "train" and they do some work, they say im the good one, generating models without optimizations, "tricks" and few more things, then they get work for CHEAP, they undercut prices and when its here say good project, something bigger what involves EXPERTISE on how to process it perfect they win it because they set low prices, we can do it with left hand. Then the client get ROUGHT results, is upset, and cease to use externall services, because he try it later with standard settings on same dataset, get same results as the cheap one and say WHY should i pay a even more to someone ??? ? can do it myself :-D
While I completely understand your problem (it sucks to be undercut by somebody doing shoddy work), being secretive about things or only sharing with a small group of people won't prevent that from happening. There will always be 'cowboys' around.
I think the way Lee handles his business is brilliant. Yes, he undermines his own position by freely sharing his knowledge. But at the same time if anybody asks "who is the leading Photogrammetry expert?" his name is at the top of the list. That is why he has such an impressive client list.
Tutorials - it depend on what want - need to do, mostly the special stuff is solved on project-to-project basis. If interested will create a TUTORIAL thread where can write on what precise you want to see.... OK ?
That's an excellent initiative! I would be glad to help, but I am leaving on a long trip in 3 days. I'll keep an eye on it.
From my perspective, Standard version is cheap and we have it, i would love to own Pro because of the couple features that would help me in work but the price is to high.
The current Pro version seems to be priced for people doing DEMs and aerial photography work. I can imagine 3500$ is doable compared to rental costs of an airplane and a fancy aerial camera.
But I agree that for most artists the Pro version is priced too high, especially since we only need it for the phyton support and one or two other functions. It's hard to justify the price for just these things. We have one Pro license but I am not the one using it. So whenever I need something that can only be done with a Pro function, I have to send the files to somebody else.
I think it would make sense if there was a "Pro Artist" version that is more geared towards artists and is stripped of all the DEM stuff. If it was priced around 750$ I would buy it in a heartbeat.
That said: Agisoft is giving us simply amazing support. If we have a problem they often respond the same day and that alone is worth the price of the Pro license.
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I think it would make sense if there was a "Pro Artist" version that is more geared towards artists and is stripped of all the DEM stuff. If it was priced around 750$ I would buy it in a heartbeat.
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I think it would make sense if there was a "Pro Artist" version that is more geared towards artists and is stripped of all the DEM stuff. If it was priced around 750$ I would buy it in a heartbeat.
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I have no use for DEM in my character and props workflow, I just can't justify the cost of Pro to be able to properly align my model. Yes it sucks doing workarounds this limitation, but it's doable. I'd gladly pay for a Pro Artist version of Photoscan.
While we are making suggestions to Agisoft, I'd love to see them revamp the website with user galleries and projects that have used Agisoft. You guys are #1 in the field right now, you really need to start doing some bragging. :D
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"You guys are #1 in the field right now, you really need to start doing some bragging. :D"
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I agree wholeheartedly !!!
Cheers
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Again, in this forum are a LOT of user, even more are not registered.. from my view here are active approx 25+- users !!!! So how they "reward" work of us ? they write at least THANX ? no :-(
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And what do you think you will gain from having everything secretive? A more lucrative paycheck?
Do you honestly think that the 25 people that were viewing this thread had anything constructive to add? Because I think if they did, they would've shared what they know. Instead there are at least 25 people who learned something from this thead. And since when is sharing information a negative thing? Your post baffles me.
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Depend on how you see it........ No im not seeing lucrative payback, im saying that very very little people reply on this forum, im saying from my own experience cannot and want not be much precise that they TAKE info from here and post NOTHING even if they could help everyone and that NOT a superduper secrets or something that way..... - as i say before its better to contact people with PMs, ASK the right way that someone contact YOU back with answer.......
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as i say before its better to contact people with PMs, ASK the right way that someone contact YOU back with answer.......
Respectfully I disagree with this statement.
IMHO the preferred way is to ask a question in an open public forum and let as many "experts" answer the question as possible.... multiple heads are always better than one. Moreover, by having the answers to questions in an open, public forum... everyone can benefit from the knowledge shared, not just a single party.
Obviously, if people want to take things further and have their own private discussions... great! But it's beneficial to everyone when ideas, techniques and solutions are not discussed behind closed doors.
Again... just my opinion.
Cheers,
MC
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I killed the thread because I was getting hate mail. The seminar was for free yet certain members here acted like they paid for it. I was torn to pieces in private emails which I care not to re-publish.
I was criticized for giving information away for free, what I said was wrong, my cameras sucked or I didn't know what I was doing.
I have no tolerance for this kind of abuse.
Please refer to my own facebook page or Zbrushworkshops for future content but I won't ever post in this forum again.
Jeff
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I killed the thread because I was getting hate mail. The seminar was for free yet certain members here acted like they paid for it. I was torn to pieces in private emails which I care not to re-publish.
I was criticized for giving information away for free, what I said was wrong, my cameras sucked or I didn't know what I was doing.
I have no tolerance for this kind of abuse.
Please refer to my own facebook page or Zbrushworkshops for future content but I won't ever post in this forum again.
Jeff
Hey Jeff,
I'm sorry to hear that you got a load of abuse for trying to be helpful.
I understand and respect your decision but I'm sorry that it happened and I'm sure that most of us here don't condone that sort of behavior.
Cheers,
MC
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Hi Jeff
Thanx for explanation, was not the one who emailed :-D - keep it secret ( mean the emails ) - its the better way as you see.....
Hmmmmm, have some idea in my head, will discuss it with others, probably have a solution to this sort of "problems"
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Hello Jeff,
Its very sad to hear that,
I appreciate enormously your will to help teaching for free what you know, even if its more or less correct, that doesnt matter.
I understand as well your decision, but as mr_curious said, i dont think (and hope) that most of us have this kind of behaviour.
Cheers,
Manuel.
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For me, it's one (of lot's) reason, what Agisoft makes the different from other softwares... an open discussion, see what other user do and become / give help on every daytime...!
For me it's the perfect way to solve problems, interessting to help others and share the experience.
I can undersand, that some people don't like this, becose of "the seacret of the perfect workflow". but as others say already, many heads ar better than jus one!
for me, it's just the beginning from digital photogrammetry! i think togeter, we can go much further than we are...!
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I killed the thread because I was getting hate mail. The seminar was for free yet certain members here acted like they paid for it. I was torn to pieces in private emails which I care not to re-publish.
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Jeff
Wow. That is very sad to hear indeed. >:(
If it is any help: you sparked some really nice discussion on these boards.
I hope you have a lot of success with the workshops. Please do post a small message when they go online?
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I'm not sure if your rant was aimed at me or others, but I would just like to point out that I've been using Photoscan for years for face scanning, it was me that suggested to Lee (Infinite) that he should try the software, the rest is history... the whole reason all these "mini-me" 3D printing companies sprang up in the last few years is due to Lee openly talking about his Photoscan process.
Just to put that in context I have never made a single penny from using Photoscan, i don't offer a scanning service, I design and build hardware.
Whilst this is partially true Merry, the industry was generally heading in this direction, Photoscan. It's just no one had ever tested with a multi camera system. Luckily IR was the first to do that properly. I was aware of Agisoft before you mentioned it to me. I actually saw the work Samuel Poirier was doing before that which tempted me but I was already knee deep with Dimensional Imaging and had an expensive Scanner Killer license, my journey started back in 2008 thanks primarily to DI and XYZ-RGB, who were the true pioneers.
My research how ever would have not been possible without Merry's hardware designs for trigger and power.
I'm sorry to hear Jeffrey got a bunch of hate mail, there was no need for that (whoever did it should apologize) There is nothing wrong with sharing.
It is a shame some companies use Agisoft as their main business and don't participate here and help others but no one is forcing anyone to share or not to share. We can do as we please.
It's now a very competitive industry thanks to the monetary system we live in.
What annoys me most is when people don't talk openly about Agisoft Photoscan, or get it linked in press releases. The more exposure the better.
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A sticky FAQ is certainly a very good idea! :)
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Hello Jeff,
Its very sad to hear that,
I appreciate enormously your will to help teaching for free what you know, even if its more or less correct, that doesnt matter.
I understand as well your decision, but as mr_curious said, i dont think (and hope) that most of us have this kind of behaviour.
Cheers,
Manuel.
Thank You for your kind words... The internet is what it is I guess. I have half a mind to release another free video just for spite... :)
Jeff
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Hi Lee,
Was a bit coffee'ed up :o when I posted that, should perhaps read .. I suggested you really should give Photoscan a go, over the outrageously expensive and tedious DI and Scanner Killer systems of the time.
...and when you did and openly talked about the process, many other people learnt and profited from your sharing.
That sharing combined with IMHO a very fairly priced Photoscan has changed many things in many industries and made things possible that before would only have been the preserve of very large budget films/VFX.
Cheers,
Mala
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I killed the thread because I was getting hate mail. The seminar was for free yet certain members here acted like they paid for it. I was torn to pieces in private emails which I care not to re-publish.
I was criticized for giving information away for free, what I said was wrong, my cameras sucked or I didn't know what I was doing.
I'm really sad to hear that. I thought your webinar was a good introduction to the topic. I don't know why people would criticize you for giving away 'secrets'. I don't think anything you were showing would be a revelation to someone having a basic familiarity with photogrammetry or sculpting apps. There is also a clear need for this type of training material so people can get past the basics and move on to more interesting problems.
I might quibble with a few of the technical details you presented. I'm a scene-linear kind of guy so I always cringe when somebody opens up a RAW file in Lightroom and starts tweaking sliders. Nonetheless, your results are very credible and I think they speak for themselves.
Good luck in your endeavors, and I'm sorry that a few members of this forum have managed to drive you away.
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Thank You for your kind words... The internet is what it is I guess. I have half a mind to release another free video just for spite... :)
Jeff
Do it, but only through openness and wanting to. Don't feed any trolls through spite.
I'm thinking of doing something similar soon, more on a hardware side. I didn't see your video but I'm sure it's filled with interesting info. Don't let any negative comments get you down.
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Hate e-mails....? .... in hell ! >:( How dare !
This is totally selfish and egoist behave.. >:(
They probably think they didn't learn anything from the forums.?? ???
Don't forget where you start from..
Thanks to the community... Love you all....
Regards,
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Well. I thought the seminar was very helpful and I am glad I watched and really thankful that Jeffrey decided to make it.
I simply can not understand why would you receive any hate mail for that and to be honest, I think that information should be shared with the Moderators so that they can be informed of the people that are acting in an unprofessional manner here.
And WHAT if some of the information was not perfect or against some others believes or experience?? That is what the threads are for, to share knowledge and to find solutions, no one is perfect and I much more prefer to talk to someone that is eager to share information even if it is not perfect that someone that knows all the perfect answers and doesn't want to share them.
Thanks again for the seminar!
Leo
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Hi Jeff, webinar was very good and informative, can't imagine why would anyone had negative comments towards FREE knowledge....
Take care and hope to see you spreading more scan knowledge soon!
Admir
Hello Jeff,
Its very sad to hear that,
I appreciate enormously your will to help teaching for free what you know, even if its more or less correct, that doesnt matter.
I understand as well your decision, but as mr_curious said, i dont think (and hope) that most of us have this kind of behaviour.
Cheers,
Manuel.
Thank You for your kind words... The internet is what it is I guess. I have half a mind to release another free video just for spite... :)
Jeff
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No worries. James of Ten24 had a talk with me. Told me it was BS for me not to keep participating on the site. I have been following Lee and James quite a while now. James and I communicate on a regular basis about cameras and results. If anything I owe the two of them quite a bit. They have both been very generous with their research in their blogs over the years.
As for as being technically off, I work in entertainment (games and film) and have worked with scan data for almost 15 years. As an artist I'm scanning for what is the fastest and can get me from A to C while skipping B. We're under constant fire to get things done quickly, even if it's not as accurate as we'd like it to be.
My seminar is not intended for Photoscan experts nor is it intended for professional photographers. My target audience are people completely new to the concept of 3d scanning. I edit in Lightroom for purposes of an even texture map given horrible lighting conditions. Ultimately I want to prove and demonstrate that the technology is not limited to experts and someone with a sub $1000 camera can get amazing results. What I hope to show is more how you can use 3d scanning in production workflows like PF Track, NukeX and Maya. 3D scans are pretty useless without some follow up.
Unfortunately Zbrushworkshops has bent the course to only photogrammetry but I will be covering scanning with the Kinect, Artec and super expensive $250K LIDAR scanners. It's a comprehensive crash course in the technology and how it can be applied. Geomagic figures pretty heavy into the equation as well.
I in fact can't stand Photoscan body scans, they pale in comparison to detailed work I'm getting from a combination of Artec Eva and the Artec Spider.
Jeff
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sure due to the way Psacn works, many things can't be scan... but I find Pscan does the job pretty well when the photos are good and the object has enough texture info.. for very little $.... I mean the artec spider cost an eye... eheh :) 8), so it better be good..
one thing... the artec spider texture ..... I don't like it... at all.. :-\
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James of Ten24 had a talk with me. Told me it was BS for me not to keep participating on the site.
With all due respect to James and Chris (the owner) at Ten24, they will say that. As they are one of the companies who sadly don't participate here, yet make a very good living out of Photoscan. It's a shame they haven't posted here over the years and I hope to see them do so soon (perhaps this post will encourage that!)
I in fact can't stand Photoscan body scans, they pale in comparison to detailed work I'm getting from a combination of Artec Eva and the Artec Spider.
Information like this is negative and incorrect. You can't make a sweeping statement like that Jeffrey. It will alienate you to others.
Also posting a composite full body scan, that has had a ton of post work and modelling as a scanning comparison is moot. The amount of post work an Artec scan needs is mind numbing.
If you have the correct multi DSLR set-up the results can be amazing. The Artec system is VERY dated and VERY cumbersome. I know, I've owned several since 2008 before they were even commercially available in Europe, let alone the US.
It's commendable that you are trying to encourage others and teach from your experience. Stay positive.
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I don't get it (hate email etc). I respect all PRO users and their knowledge. I've bought amazing standard version and Im playing with one dslr, modo and Zbrush.
I can understand elitism in Blender community becouse in free software knowledge is only one key. But if someone do commercial software it is logic that all registered users will want join community to learn from best PRO users (or other fresh users). Idea of commercial softwares is to sell as many licences as possible. Main problem is that Agisoft is so perfect that even not smart user after knowing rules (ISO,aperture,shutter,dof,noise,light,resolution,bit depth) may do good commercial works with one camera. That forum should be opened only for people who bought legal copy of software if you ddon't want to share knowledge to everyone. But people like me who bought legal version of softwares want to learn how to use it public from whole community (like this happen on Modo,Moi,Zbrush community where I am present) not from PM. I know that one camera work need heavy post in Zbrush etc. Big rings do it much faster and better. PRO users may do not want share their knowledge but CANT forbid share knowledge on community site.
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Beg your pardon but I will say what I please. I am speaking from my own experience. Its my own opinion and you telling me I have no right to express it is BS.
Its only my opinion and its based on years of experience considering cost, portability and return on investment.
2008? It's 2014 now. You are basing your statement out of experience which dates 6 years ago? Get with the program, the Spider is a recent release. This is the same blanket criticism of other peoples opinions which frustrate me here.
You have no right to tell people what people should say or not. Who made you the authority?
People can take what they want from me, my opinion is not the word of God and I know it.
As for doctored scans, the shoe and hand are RAW output.
J
James of Ten24 had a talk with me. Told me it was BS for me not to keep participating on the site.
With all due respect to James and Chris (the owner) at Ten24, they will say that. As they are one of the companies who sadly don't participate here, yet make a very good living out of Photoscan. It's a shame they haven't posted here over the years and I hope to see them do so soon (perhaps this post will encourage that!)
I in fact can't stand Photoscan body scans, they pale in comparison to detailed work I'm getting from a combination of Artec Eva and the Artec Spider.
Information like this is negative and incorrect. You can't make a sweeping statement like that Jeffrey. It will alienate you to others.
Also posting a composite full body scan, that has had a ton of post work and modelling as a scanning comparison is moot. The amount of post work an Artec scan needs is mind numbing.
If you have the correct multi DSLR set-up the results can be amazing. The Artec system is VERY dated and VERY cumbersome. I know, I've owned several since 2008 before they were even commercially available in Europe, let alone the US.
It's commendable that you are trying to encourage others and teach from your experience. Stay positive.
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Very overly dramatic. You will need a much thicker skin than that if you are trying to interact and share your experience with the community.
"they pale in comparison to detailed work I'm getting from a combination of Artec Eva and the Artec Spider."
I have every right to say what I think against that. It's rude and ignorant to post that here. It's like sh*tting on your own door step.
"As for doctored scans, the shoe and hand are RAW output."
Yes. I can tell.
"I am speaking from my own experience."
This was my main point. You lack multi-camera experience to make such a sweeping comment about Photoscan.
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This was my main point. You lack multi-camera experience to make such a sweeping comment about Photoscan.
He doesn't need to have experience with multi camera setups to give his opinion on the quality though? All he needs to see is the result (the mesh itself)?
That said, even if the detail was slightly lower, you can do things with a photogrammetry rig that are impossible with laser scanners (for example lots of facial expressions in a short time). Also, the texture from Photoscan seems way better from what I've seen.
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Its only my opinion and its based on years of experience considering cost, portability and return on investment.
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I in fact can't stand Photoscan body scans, they pale in comparison to detailed work I'm getting from a combination of Artec Eva and the Artec Spider.
Jeff
the page before you speak about Quality of scans... and then you speak about cost, portability and return on investment...
wtf... hehe.. not my intend to start a nuclear war, but I was just wondering... :)
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.... Also, the texture from Photoscan seems way better from what I've seen.
that's what I think too... nearly unusable ... very low quality.. and I think that's the problem with such system..
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This was my main point. You lack multi-camera experience to make such a sweeping comment about Photoscan.
He doesn't need to have experience with multi camera setups to give his opinion on the quality though? All he needs to see is the result (the mesh itself)?
Of course you do, it's not just about the final output. You need to know how to use the data properly. For example there's a big difference between an 80 camera system to a 150 camera system. Incremental improvements. Once you've scanned 100's and 100's of people, different clothing, different poses. Instant capture. Faster post-processing. Amazing colour output and high frequency details you can't get with an Artec system. You begin to realize the differences.
The quality and speed far out way any structured light system. You gain that knowledge through experience.
Plus an Artec Spider is useless for full body scanning. It would take about an hour to scan someone and you would have way too much polygonal data to manage.
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What do you think about mixing method, f.e. scanning laser scan base shape and fit it with Agisoft one dslr raw scan (f.e. markers). Then should be possible reprojecting texture on that mesh inside Agisoft (import mesh). It would give Laser scan with 16bit texture from photogrammetry (to make tiny details from HQ texture - normal, specular, glossy, mask insinde Zbrush with inflate/deflate). Question is what is better one dslr camera photogrammetry scan or laser scan. If answer is photogrammetry then it`s not worth. But now I am waiting for Kinect v2 for windows. I know it`s far from perfection but every year gives us better sensors quality. It`s only matter of time when border will be crossed. Medium level DSLR are better every year too. I think better resolution and bigger bit depth will allow get better final results with one dslr scan. It`s only my opinion and it may not be not right becouse I`m fresh user.
Edit: I am not comparing final effect of ring to that but I`m only look for new oportunities to make cheap scans better.
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Someone directed me to this post, I notice my name is getting banded around a bit :) Sorry guys I don't post on forums for this very reason.. Love AGI, Love photogrammetry, its the way forward and nothing beats it but I'm not prepared to open up on here because of nonsense like this.. If anyone wants to ask me anything they are more than welcome just mail me at jamie@ten24.info or find me on Facebook, I've helped loads of people out in the past and continue to do so privately via email. There is loads of info on our blog and I've shared hundreds of images and tips on Facebook please don't accuse me of not helping out and forgive me for not wanting to be part of a community that sends hate mail to people who share information.
Cheers Jamie.
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I don't usually participate in this sort of discussion, and I will try to make it as brief as possible:
Please stop the nonsense of addressing Agisoft forum community as a whole in connection with some isolated 'hate email' that has NOTHING to do with this forum or this community. This forum has been nothing but helpful and respectful to anyone and everyone, even towards the strong opinioned and emotional users. I honestly can't recall a single post that would seem even remotely hateful, personal or otherwise inappropriate, including the original thread about single camera scanning that got deleted. It's only this here discussion that got unnecessarily heated. The beef anyone might have with one another, please keep us, the community, out of it.
Thank you,
Andrew
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Please stop the nonsense of addressing Agisoft forum community as a whole in connection with some isolated 'hate email' that has NOTHING to do with this forum or this community. This forum has been nothing but helpful and respectful to anyone and everyone, even towards the strong opinioned and emotional users. I honestly can't recall a single post that would seem even remotely hateful, personal or otherwise inappropriate, including the original thread about single camera scanning that got deleted. It's only this here discussion that got unnecessarily heated. The beef anyone might have with one another, please keep us, the community, out of it.
Point well made Andrew, I apologies for my last comment, I didn't mean it to sound as harsh and all encompassing of the AGI community as it did, it only takes one person to spoil it for everyone, and as I said is very much the reason I don't bother with forums, it just winds me up..