Agisoft Metashape
Agisoft Metashape => General => Topic started by: Wishgranter on January 04, 2013, 02:18:22 AM
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Hello all
Our nonprofit organization invested in workstation with Dual XEON E5-2680 @2,7 GHz with 256 GB RAM that will be expanded to 384 GB over this year ( up to 768 with 32 GB Modules if prices go down ) and with ATI 7970 video card. This system will be upgraded to 4 GPUs (7970s) later this year too.
Our goal is to support you with your BIG projects for hourly price 10 USD or 7,60 EUR, where will be calculated only for the reconstruction process, so handling with data and etc. are for free. Best way is to put the files somewhere, like DROPBOX or other filesharing site, but think on that, its wery slow on free sites and we will not pay for the premium accounts. Here is possibility to send the data over classical post as few mentioned it before as option.
Speed...... its hard to say on most projects how long it takes to reconstruct, but over the year im will update some statistic on processed projects.
2nd goal is to help people without the knowledge of the Pscan to learn them very efficient and fast way. So you get our best knowledge how to deal with yours problematic projects. I’m will start another thread about this, with more details. For students we have special price ( 0,0 USD/EUR ) on processing and buying licenses( Discount 10 % ). But we will need proof from your school, some info on project that will be processed.
Our goal is to process data only for the ones with license of Pscan, there will be possible even without it, but for higher price ( GIS application will be calculated on the area of reconstruction –info on request )
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Hi all,
i would like to ask kindly, if this forum is going to become a marketplace for increased and unfair cut-throat competition in the field of data processing?
Cheers
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i would like to ask kindly, if this forum is going to become a marketplace for increased and unfair cut-throat competition in the field of data processing?
Hello ju523m,
it is one thing to ask whether such a forum should/could, besides discussing technical questions, also be used as some sort of "marketplace". It is quite another thing to call the two offers posted here "unfair cut-throat competition", in particular when one of them is made by a non-profit organisation. (Just to make sure you don't think I have a biased view: I am in no way connected to any of them)
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Hello Ju523m and others
Competition were if im set lower price on processing, but its the "same" price as the first one, even we have pricey and faster hardware and it will be even faster this year. Our goal is to support people with its projects, helping to shoot it better, learning them from our/my knowlege and process their project that they cannot proces home. For people that have one-two BIG projects in year for them is it unpractice to buy workstation like this ( price around 12.000 USD in europe aprox 12.000 EUR ).
We will support students ( already processing ) wuth their work, can give suggestions, how to process it and few more things.......
Personaly have used the first one solution that helped me to choose the right hardware for our projects ( we will need up to 512 GB RAM ) and next year we wil eventuely buy 8 socket system if the net version is not ready ( we get ubelievable price cuts for our ws, because what we do, we support rebuilding ruined castles in our country and my friends give me a big discount on it )
And if it start to be a competition, then people here get most from it = lower prices.......
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Hi Wishgranter and others,
can you please explain:
On one hand www.mhb.sk is described as a non-profit organisation,
on the other hand www.mhb.sk is listed as reseller of Photoscan and therewith acting as trader on behalf of a commercial profit-oriented company - Agisoft.
That is a bit confusing isn't it?
Cheers
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In our contry is possible to be nonprofit and work like normal company, but all what we manage to earn CAN and MUST be used for our main goal in ARTICLES. But we are still Nonprofit.....
See here, its litlle outdatet, but we have changed just few thing in other pats of the articles...... https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15047343/Articles%20of%20MHB%20-%20march%202011%20first%20page_EN.pdf
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Hi Wishgranter,
thanks for the link. Am I right, when I assume, that your non-profit organisation is mainly funded by governmental or administrative institutions in Slovakia?
Cheers
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Yes, we get registered on Home office ( Ministry of internal affairs eventuely translated ), so they see if we are eglible with our articles, our goals adn then we get "license"......
So founder are group of peole ( at least 3 people ) , but the corresponding ministry must approve us and we get our status as Nonprofit org with all stuff around it.....
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Hi Wishgranter!
Interesting stuff tho.
What is the average time of postprocessing that you have achieved with that equipment?
Say .. for an average project of 1000 images or, let's say, 150-200 ha?
George
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Hello George, hard to say, its need testing, as im process more stuff like this im can get some statistical data and will be able to say more on this. If want, just share dataset, im will process it, for free if no results will be send back. Dont forget to send reconstruction paramaters.....
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good idea! I will think about sending one ...
Meanwhile, what about GCP? That is a real hard job to do? Otherwise the question is what is the reference of the model reconstructed? I mean in case of comparing with DTM etc.?
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We ahve the PRO version so if you include GCPs we can process it, jsut send precise info what to set on the GCPs in pscan. Eventuely can send aligned scene, you add GCPs and then we will process it......
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So just to get this straight, Wishgranter: When you hired us to process data for you, you were actually gauging our pricing structure, speed, methodology, and other specs just so you could "compete" on the same forum with an almost identical sticky post? http://www.agisoft.ru/forum/index.php?topic=650.0
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N. Purple, im set the price as you, and that JUST because im not want go down and create competition, im set i so that if one of us is overloaded or with long reconstruction front that the other can help clients and not steal clients.....
My personal digging intro prices of it, show that could bring price much much lower as are now, and my idea was for repeating customers bring discounts up to 75 %.. My idea is to HELP people with big projects because still is not ready NET reconstruction. Im personaly have pointed AGISOFT team how to solve it in elegant way, so sooner or later our WS will be not necessary ( few months ) then..... If there were not NET reconstruction in sight, im would buy 4 or 8 socket system.
Agisoft helped me reconstruct few of my models on ULTRA for free, to get better understanding to my workflow and correcting it, so i pay it back for them with help to others become better and better and use Pscan to its limits......
My idea is to give people some advice on workflows on it own datasets, what actually doing already..... And therefore then, users can use Pscan with much better worflows, because im pointing how to shoot ( lower amount ) images, and few other magic......
And as have pointed out, STUDENTS ( Their schools too) get little lower price on Pscan, so they get training for better workflow and results just from start just because im like it when cutting edge technology is used in real work on right places. Mostly processing archeological stuff so when they have results, other get it intro content of research in cultural heritage and can benefit from it.......
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After following these discussions for a while: correct me if I'm wrong, but I never understood these two posts as commercial or competition, but as a help for people who may have a small number of relatively large 3D reconstruction projects for which they can't afford the expensive hardware. The money that is involved - that can only be a small hel in re-financing the hardware investment. I don't think anyone could make a living for that price anyway.
Thinking about it a bit more, one of the offers was made by someone who has tremendously contributed to this forum, always trying to help people to get the most out of this software. If I had to choose which offer to use...
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Set the price however you like it. In our case (which does not seem to be the same as yours despite your protestations and "pay-it-forward" speeches), we were really trying to offer a service to the community. If I recall we even discounted your job by a significant amount.
Let's keep in mind what you just said in your last post in this forum thread:
JUST because im not want go down and create competition, im set i so that if one of us is overloaded or with long reconstruction front that the other can help clients and not steal clients.....
Let's take a look at this email which I saw only because a potential "client" accidentally contacted you from the forums looking for us. When he eventually emailed us your response was still there in the email thread.
Client's Email:
Hello,
I follow the Agisoft's Forum and would like to know if in this e-mail I could talk to Mr. Wishgranter. My interest is in data processing using the Workstation presented by N.Purple (http://www.agisoft.ru/forum/index.php?topic=650.0).
I await your response
What was your response?
Wishgranter's Email Reply:
Hello contact him here [my-email]
Im personaly will have even better workstation for processing data, a 2x8 core 2,7 GHZ with 256 GB RAM - up to 384 GB in few weeks - , currently im awaiting delivery of RAM modules and GPUs... price will be even litle better.....
We will be operational in max 7 days.....
Will you need frequently need reconstruct data ? becasue we will give progressive prices to returrning clients.....
To me this doesn't seem much in line with your altruistic, community-loving, spiel. To me, it sounds a bit tacky and yes, as one poster pointed out: cut-throat. I almost emailed you about this email thread that I wasn't supposed to see at the time then but decided to let it slide until seeing this post.
Anyway, our contribution of services to you and the rest of community was really just that. Currently we're too busy and frankly this whole situation has soured us somewhat on wanted to help.
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N. Purple, please think little bit and read what im have posted in last one. The one mentioned earlier..
Service to community, STILL can help the community or not ????? something happen that cannot serve to community ??
What you will do when few other come here with same service ? 20 of us ?? same comment to them ?????? will start killing us eventually ?? :-) Remember, sooner or later AGISOFT team will have NET reconstruction ready for us all, so our workstation will be not necessary even for biggest projects what will you do then ?? shoot them too ??
The discount was not there as im know, it was 18 hours of work +-1 hour so what a discount ?? see precisely the job what it was.... in that PSZ as im have, could NOT read reconstruction time, have nothing replied about it ( if needed will search for it )
Response, and say him something he should wait for our ws ? no, im pointed him back to you and have posted in that forum that im was happy with the speed and etc of that setup :-)
Showing personal emails, hmm interesting PR for clients how you handle privacy.....
Yes, have pointed that will have it AND ???
price even better = as mentioned earlier my decision was NOT to get in price war, it should be ready for everyone, and as you know sometimes someone ask very QUICK reconstruction so price would be same.....
Have asked for one clients if you have free queue ? he need to process it in just few hours but it could be not realized ( long story short ) remember ?? So im doing something bad to you ?? uff....
And please think deeper about my last comment, my primary goal was to help students to start use pscan in effective way for 0,0 USD, with all my knowlege and processing power for free and no pay for my hours need to explain things in detail, because im happy that they are happy and progress in their school projects......
Im could say and ask more things but..........
Please start behave like adult and not like 15 year old boy please, if want something use PM or send me a email to muzeumhb@gmail.com or use SKYPE......
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Hi,
I have eight images taken professional by full size plane using Wild 15/4 UAG camera, once scanned the images are approximately 15000 pixels by 15000 pixels square. Have you ever processed images like this? I'm interested to know the time required and best way to get you the imagery.
Thanks.
C
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Hello, if can just upload it somewhere for tests.....
How is it with EXIF info, can you align at least this set of images ?
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I resized the images to 20% their original size and was able to align the images. There is overlap in them as it was flown to support traditional photogrammetry methods. I'm just interested to see how good of a 3D model can be generated using this software.
I have a camera calibration file for it but I doubt photoscan supports this .cam type.
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Hmm CAM file, can send to, propably are there the right parameters, if want upload it somewhere, will do test for you, no problem.......
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Just want to get this in here before I have to dip, only post able to make right now.
Planning on working with our own Nvidia Quadro K6000 Powered Workstation (using a secondary card un-chosen yet ; from Nvidia) with 150GB of RAM (of course plans to grow & expand) as of right now.
12 Core @ 3.9Ghz....
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Hi all,
We have recently set up a 16 core @ 3.54Ghz, with 256GB memory and a Titan. I want to ensure this is properly optimized; does anyone have any tips?
It doesn't appear to be using all of the memory where I had expected it to, even in large data sets. I am running two seats simultaneously with 550-650 images@21mp at the moment: the CPUs are pinned for most of the time, but I have yet to see a need for more than about 90GB of memory.
Thoughts? Is there a better thread for this subject?
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With all due respect to those who think otherwise, as the program continues to improve, it will make more optimal use of memory, and will require less memory, more advanced photogrammetry software handle thousands of images of a size greater than 96 megapixel, with only 32 GB of RAM. If you look closely at the evolution of Agisoft, with each new version of the program optimizes the use of resources and less memory is required.
Regards,
Diego
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yes this is not the best way to ask for help with it, but, contact me with email. send me complete info on the PC and will see what i can do.
Just one thing, we have discussed it here, AMD solution is much faster as NVIDIA in AGISOFT sw..... when i compare it, then same "comparable" NVIDIA card is 50% slower as AMD. Hard to say about Titan, have not seen results of our benchmark what can be found in forum.....
RAM is never enough :-D
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Hello friends,
I have a question about the speed improvment of Xeon process on "Matching point".
My old system is 1 pcs i7 3770k with amd7970 and 32GB ram.
The matching point for 60 photo will take 40 minutes.
But when I upgrade the system to two Xeon E5-2687W with amd 7970 and 64GB ram,
the matching point time is same to the old 3770k system.
Anyone know the reason? Why 2 pcs 8 core Xeon get same to the single 4 core I7 system?
Are there any setup should be done on Xeon system?
Thank you so much!
Blmvnew
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Hi blmvnew
the speed in Alignment step is a bit worse, but only under Windows ( whatever version ) if you use LINUX you should get interesting speedup. Try the Ubuntu LINUX instal and report your times on the benchmark scene...... AGI team work on this issue, but it need a bit time that it can be fast under Win too...
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Hi all,
dont worry about your projects and possible price. Mostly is the price under 30 EUR for the project, and can help with proper settings and stuff around it....
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Hi,
Do you have an Email I can contact you regarding my project?
Thanks!
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Wishgranter,
We have some larger projects where your service sounds like it might be very useful. Can you send me your email so we can discuss the details?
Jeff
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Read PM...
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I didn't receive a PM, can you try again?
Jeff
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can contact me directly on muzeumhb@gmail.com have send it as email probably was not delivered....
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have send you 4th PM so hope its not lost by spam filter :-D
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Hi!
With your current setup, how long in terms of hours do you usually process 1,000 pictures (36mp)?
Thank you.
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Hi Doomz
It depend on project type, if imgs are masked or not and etc.
PM me on muzeumhb@gmail.com and we can discuss it in detail...