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General / Tests on general reconstruction accuracy et al.
« on: September 25, 2016, 07:08:07 PM »
Hi guys,

I've been using Photoscan for a few years now on different archeological projects.
I've finally gotten around to doing some empirical testing of the software and would like to share my results.

Since they are already neatly formated on my website, I'm just going share the links below:


Differences between Point Clouds introduced by different "Dense Cloud Generation Accuray"-settings
http://www.tgraichen.de/?page_id=552



RTI and Photoscan combination testing - Improving mesh detail with high-accuracy normalmaps
http://www.tgraichen.de/?page_id=561



Generall accuracy testing using a virtual setup in Blender
http://www.tgraichen.de/?page_id=577



Please share your thoughts and comments :)

More stuff coming soon!

Tom

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Bug Reports / Shift on Batch Model Export (obj)
« on: August 30, 2016, 11:06:07 PM »
The feature of applying a shift on batch model export was added on the latest patch (i think),
but it doesn't seem to be working. Tried it on different projects, no luck so far.
Manual mode works though.

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I have a lot of georeferenced models that i would like to orient around a shared pivot point.
The goal is to import them all into one centered 3d scene with correct relational positions.

I have been doing this by hand until now, since i can't set shift values in the batch process manager.

I suspect there are ways of doing this by parsing through the exported files with a custom python script,
but it would be nice to do this inside Photoscan.

Thanks in advance,
Thomas

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Feature Requests / rough manual allignment
« on: June 26, 2012, 09:24:07 PM »
How about giving Agisoft some raw estimates on the fotos position to speed up allignment?
like when using a turntable, my pictures are in a numerical order and also have a fixed rotation angle.
would be nice to have this option so the software doesnt have to go through all fotos looking for pairs.

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Really good stuff Thomas. What do you do with less uniform objects, like figurines or an axe-head? I have experienced difficulties with flat objects, where the thin part gets very few points detected.

i've done a simple clay figurine and a miniature version of the nike of samothrace, no problem there...as long as they don't have problematic spots like self-occluding elements, shiny surfaces etc they should work fine...

as to your sharp edges i'm afraid that is the achilles heel of every optical apprach, including structured light and laser-scanners :)  i have a corroded persian dagger lying araund, maybe i'll give it a try, tommorow i might have results...
as far as axe-heads go, they shouldn't be a problem, since you only have one or to edges, so you have at least two "soft"edged sides wich photoscan can use to "anchor" the photos of the blade's sides. could you post a picture of the axe head?

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General / results with turntable / active photogrammetry experiments
« on: June 16, 2012, 11:16:15 PM »
Hello,

I am currently evaluating methods for 3d-documentation of archeological objects.
for this purpose i built an arduino controlled turntable as well as a sketch for timed shutter releases, and i would like to share my results with the community.
please feel free to point out any blatant mistakes on my side  :)


the setup:
-simple cullman tripod with two flexible clamp-on desk lamps (equal bulbs)
-arduino uno
-adafruit stepper shield
-relay module (for the shutter)
-canon eos 1100d, kit lens
-hama cable shutter control
-lenovo thinkpad edge A18


things that i found to be adamant for successful models:

1. even lighting of the object in the camera's fov. this includes the barely visible sides of the object!
2. the masking can bit a little painful at times, so i chose a backgrond color that contrasts with the object. if you use textiles, make sure the cloth is even and flat (the shadows make masking a real pain)

2. if you mask in Photoshop:
- create a layer with low contrast and high brightness (makes selection easier, can be deleted before masking)
- select the background instead of the object (easier and more accurate than masking an object with heterogenous surface)
 - set all settings in the "refine edge" menu to zero. this gets rid of floating artifacts around the finished geometry
 - use prerecorded actions so you can automate the masking. all you have to do manually is the selecting

3. number of fotos
i initially took 32 fotos per turn per camera-angle using 4 angles, this had me at 128 fotos total.
after allignment i was able to delete almost half of the fotos without losing much of the points, leaving me with 73 fotos. this resulted in greatly improved proccessing speed.

4. set your apperture to a high value (i.e. closing it) to enhance the depth of focus, crank up your ISO and lower the shutter speed. yes, you get more sensor noise that way, but photoscan seems to cope better with that than with parts of the object beeing out of focus.


By enkidu83 at 2012-06-16


By enkidu83 at 2012-06-16




5. if you are doing flat objects (like reliefs or clay tablets) where the essential spatial information you are trying to collect is on a single surface you should try following technique:
- project a random grayscale noise image on your object, focus your projector
  (don`t touch the projector from this point on!)
- adjust your camera's iso and apperture so that your pics look like the photo in pic 3 in the attachment
- keep the shutter speed high so you can shoot without tripod
- take about for pictures from different angles (freehanded), always capturing the projected surface as a hole (this way photoscan doesn't have to look for pairs)
- mount the cam on a tripod
- take one last picture with projected noise, use a remote shutter release (picture "A")
  it is very important that you don't move the camera or else this won't work!
- shut off the projector
- take normally lit picture from the exact same angle and position (picture "B")
- feed all noise-pictures into photoscan (including "A")
- set "maximum points per foto" to 40000
- generate pointcloud and geometry (should only take an instant)
- save project, close photoscan
- in your folder, replace picture "A" with "B", (don't forget to rename B to A)
- open Photoscan
- generate texture from single foto, choose foto "A" (i.e. "B")

this method is incredilby fast and the results are stunning.
last pic is shaded in meshlab using the zbrush-shader. no postprocessing.
when using a high shutter speed the color of the projector will be off (due to the projectors framerate), but since photoscan grayscales the images for point-cloud generation it doesn't seem to affect the results.

By enkidu83 at 2012-06-16

By enkidu83 at 2012-06-16

By enkidu83 at 2012-06-16


any input and criticism is welcome :)




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General / focus stacking in photoscan
« on: June 09, 2012, 01:00:24 PM »
i am doing some experiments with objects in the macro range, and this technique is used in macro-fotography to compensate for out of fokus areas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=intzev1gsbI

would it be possible to feed photoscan processed images using this technique?
the exif-data would be lost of course.
also, photoshop has to distort the different focus layers in order for them to fit, meaning Photoscan wouldn't have a single value of "f" to work with.

what do you guys think?

than

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General / camera with no exif-data
« on: May 25, 2012, 10:30:02 AM »
is it possible to use a camera without exif data , like a hd webcam for example?

thanks,
tom

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General / Re: publications on photoscan
« on: April 16, 2012, 12:18:04 PM »
thanks alot Geert!

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General / Re: quantity vs quality of photos
« on: April 14, 2012, 01:48:04 PM »
that sounds great! what size objects are you covering in your test? will you publish your results in the forum?

from your posts i understand that you come from a heritage/archeological background, is that right?
i study archeology and i'm currently writing a paper on the merits of photoscan for archeological documentation, so i?m eagerly awaiting your results

i also plan to post some of my progress in the forum, but until now i have been busy developing a workflow and automatizing some aspects of it

good luck and thanks for the reply :)

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General / publications on photoscan
« on: April 14, 2012, 11:25:01 AM »
dear AGISOFT-users,
i'm working on a paper regarding the use of photoscan in archeological documentation.
for this i'm looking for publications in any media regarding photoscan's functionality and applications, any scientific field would do.
thanks a lot for your help!  :)
tom

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General / quantity vs quality of photos
« on: April 14, 2012, 10:18:02 AM »
which approach will get me the most detailed object?

a) more pictures with less resolution
or
b) less pictures with more resolution?

i know it heavily depends on the objects characteristics how much pictures are needed, i?m just trying to understand how your software works :)  generally my experience with agisoft indicates "the more the better" for both quantity and quality....but i'm trying to come up with a workflow that balances processing time, file size and object resolution.

thanks for your help  :)
tom


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General / Re: working with pattern projection
« on: March 08, 2012, 01:01:57 PM »
yes you are right, i?m exploring that option too... what bothers me about the sl-approach is the bad texture resolution you get when using a webcam (e.g. DAVID-Laserscanner), high priced ccd-cams are not an option for me... not to mention the dimensional limitations of a calibration corner.. i am trying to automate the process with an arduino-controlled stepper and shutter release for sl-scanning with my fuji finepix hs20, taking a photo for each projected pattern... nevertheless this is very time consuming...

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General / Re: working with pattern projection
« on: February 15, 2012, 06:02:56 PM »
hello alexey,

the projected pattern is different for each stereopair, since i'm using a turntable with white backdrop to turn the object and a fixed camera/projector... so there is no possibility for influencing the pair selection? if not i guess i'll have to manualy set markers and merge the chunks then

would it be possible to swap pictures after positions and points have been calculated? heres an example:
1) taking a stereopair with projected pattern
2) taking a stereopair from the same position without pattern
3) align stereopair (with pattern)
4) swap pattern-stereopair with "clean"-stereopair for texturing




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General / Re: working with pattern projection
« on: February 15, 2012, 03:42:12 PM »
thanks for the quick reply wishgranter, but thats not what i meant...
i am trying to avoid setting markers by hand. basicly what i?d like to tell photoscan to do is this:

a) look for corresponding points between foto 01 and 02 (i.e. one stereopair)
b) look for corresponding points between foto 03 and 04 (i.e. next stereopair)
...etc...
c) allign and merge all found points (without having to set markers and before building geometry)
d) build geometry

i?m trying to project the pattern and take a stereopair-picture, and then moving on to the next angle.
as of now i have to create one chunk per angle so that photoscan only looks for corresponding points in the stereopair.... is there any way to to tell photoscan which fotos to pair up when looking for points?

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