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James
Thank you for clearing up my confusion about "F" numbers.  I am not certain why you hesitate to mention Ken Rockwell but it seems that he is able to do what I want (10mm focal length/ 10ish F score/100 ISO) with the lens. Or, at least that is what I think I want based upon how I read the advice. Thanks for giving the link.
I have not installed Photoscan 1.1 as Agisoft says that it is "considered as unstable". As I don't know the software that well, I wouldn't really know if I was doing something wrong or if there was a problem with the software.
Again, thanks for your help.

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Appropriate Lens based on advice?
I am trying to incorporate the advice I received into a lens purchase but I am a little confused. Specifically, it was suggested that I use:
"- aperture bigger than F8 for a deeper depth of field" (does smaller F mean "bigger"?) and
"using an 10mm ultrawide lens"
I was thinking that the lens linked below may be the right one for me (given its relatively low cost and the above advice)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K899B9Y/ref=psdc_499248_t3_B0002Y5WXE

Am I right? The F appears to be "f/4.5-5.6". Is that "bigger" than F8 and good for Agisoft?
Separately, Karsten suggested "adding some left and/or right rolled photos can help PhotoScan a lot." Does anyone know what a rolled photo is? Also, Karsten suggested reading the "Agisoft Lens" manual. It did not see this manual in the manual download section. Does anyone know how to get it?
Thanks. Thanks. Thanks.

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Kiesel. Thank you. That makes a lot of sense but I am still a little confused.
You mentioned 6 cameras on a face being related to a GSD of 0.1 mm.
Frankly, I don't really understand how Agisoft selects which image (or pixel) to use when the same area is covered by multiple photographs. Am I correct to think that each pixel on a face (or building) comes from one picture? If so, is GSD largely determined by the resolution of the photograph that was chosen?  (For a given pixel, it doesn't matter if that space of the face was found in 6, 10 or 20 photos. Agisoft picks the "best" pixel from one picture?)
I was thinking that Agisoft uses all of the pictures to build the 3d model but it doesn't "blend" pixels from the pictures to decide what goes into the chosen texture.
Again, thanks.

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James: Thanks. I followed your instructions on how to align photos and it worked much, much better. I slightly changed your approach. I aligned the first 16 photos/1st "row" first and then added more photos for alignment. It seems that aligning after each “row” works at least for me. I suspect (but don’t know) that I can just keep adding rows to get more pictures aligned properly.
Also, I was able to open the new file that you posted but I wasn’t able to create a model from it. I did create a model using my original pictures and your alignment advice. It is much better but still a world away from some models that I have seen of faces.
Do you have any sense of why I am not getting their impressive results?
Is it because I don't have enough pictures as a house is a hundred+ times bigger than a face? If "pore level" detail for a face requires 100 pictures, do I need several hundred (or more) for a house? (I know this may be overkill but I want to practice for more important buildings.) Is it the quality of the pictures? Am I fooling myself when I think that just because Agisoft gives a picture a quality score near 1 that means everything is OK? Do you get really high Agisoft quality scores… or at a certain point does it not matter/doesn’t indicate if you will get “pore level” detail?
Is the reason that I am not getting really impressive results more due to the dense cloud… and not deleting incorrect points? Is it from not masking the pictures? Is it all above? If so, any suggestion on what I should focus on improving first for the most improvement?
Right now, I think that the first step to a better model is more pictures aligned in steps by row. I could do that tomorrow. Then I should think about if there is a better way to use the Agisoft software (delete points in cloud, etc..). After that, I should focus on trying to get better pictures as I may need a new lens for that. Are better pictures the more important thing and I should focus there first? Again thanks.
Final question (s): When you make a 3d model of a building, do you model the entire exterior of the building at once or do you do it in parts (front, back, roof, etc) and then combine? Do you model the interior separately from the interior and then combine the models? Do you model rooms separately? If you are combining models, what do you use to combine them?
Again, thanks.

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Marcel and James,

First, Thank you. Thank you. Also, before I forget Thank you.

I appreciate your advice and want to make certain that I understand it. FYI… I don’t specifically care about modeling my house. I am using it primarily as practice. I would like to model endangered civil rights sites as an historical record in case they collapse (but that would probably be separate from my high school class).

Marcel: “Try photographing multiple 'rows'. This way, the features Photoscan can use to align the images are always visible in multiple photos. So photograph one row with the tripod at the lowest setting, one row at medium setting and one row with the tripod at the highest setting. Try to keep the distance to the house the same.”
Just to be clear, by lowest, medium and highest, you are talking about the height of the tripod and nothing related to image quality, correct? That is, all pictures are from the same row but there should be three sets taken at different heights? If so, could I get close up detail by just zooming it?

My first set of 16 pictures were basically from single row (with the same height). These pictures aligned, but there were two problems (that I hoped to correct by simply taking more pictures). First, I wanted more close up detail for when you zoom in on the model. I saw an Agisoft face model where you can see individual pores in the face. I would look to be able to do this level of detail in a building (and was hoping I could do it with just one camera as buildings don’t move). Second, the bushes were partially blocking the building (and the model of the back of the bushes was very blotchy/didn’t really exist). I thought I needed more angles of the bushes. (I would prefer that they weren’t even there)

The pictures were taken at 100 ISO. I am not really certain what aperture means but will look it up. Maybe I need a new lens for a “bigger than F8”. I was thinking that because Agisoft reported an image quality between .7 and 1.3, it meant everything was OK. Is that not the case?

James: Wow. Just wow. Thanks for aligning the pictures. Wow.

Your point on shorter focal length… Again I am going to need to look this up to understand it. Is a shorter focal length always your suggestion or simply here because of space?

If I want close up detail (like pores in a face), does that mean I have to take many, many pictures in order for there to be overlap? I am concerned that the images may be too similar (for example nearly identical shingles in a house) and Agisoft would quickly get confused on how to align the pictures?

Your advice on how to align the pictures is massive! I am going to try your suggestions to see if I can do it myself. Thanks.

Finally, there was a time gap between pictures being taken (30 minutes?). Does that matter?
Thanks. Thanks. Thanks.

One last point, I am having a bit of trouble downloading the file you posted to Dropbox. It says that it was unable to open the file. Is the problem on my end or do you think there may be something wrong with the file.
 

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I was trying to scan the back of my house today to get more familiar with the program for my 3D modeling class. I first went out and took 16 photos of the back in a semi circle motion. After that I came inside and put the photos into my computer. I ran everything at high settings and it came out with this model.



I thought it was a very good model so I decided to go back out and take more photos this time going around the side of the house and onto the porch. I ended up with 53 photos in total. I created a new project within agisoft and started it up again. This time it did not go so well. I ended up with this model.



The quality on all of the photos was between .7 and 1.3 and they all had an iso of 100. I took them using a 6 foot tripod and the download for all of the photos and the projects I will put below.

The Photos:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lfhgt28noxb3x5i/BackHousePhotos.zip?dl=0

The First Model(Successful):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/60pd5jnpfha22ez/Working16Pics.psz?dl=0

The Second Model(Failed):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d9u9yo2kbazh99f/NotWorking53Pics.psz?dl=0

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General / House Scan
« on: September 12, 2014, 04:23:43 AM »
I want make a full scan of an entire outside of a house and then merge it with the inside of the house. Is it better to do the house wall by wall and then piece them together or to align all of the photos at once. Is it possible to do the inside and outside of a house at the same time? Please answer my questions.  ;D Thanks in advance.


Edit:
Keep in mind I have a super computer:
GPU: GTX 780 SC ACX
CPU: Intel I7 4790k
Mobo: Asus ROG Maximus VII Hero

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General / Re: CPU & GPU temperatures
« on: September 12, 2014, 04:15:03 AM »
Those temperatures actually look a bit cool to me. I run my cpu at 99% and it gets up to around 98C.

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