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General / Re: Compact Canon CDHK RAW & Lens Distortion
« on: July 28, 2013, 04:00:42 PM »
Thanks for this Chad.

I just reviewed where I had been trying to go with CHDK - that now a few months ago. It was really to try and develop a very large mixed point&shoot / DSLR system.

While I got some level of understanding I got sidetracked and now [just after having read my post on the chdk forum] can't even remember what some of my own post meant  :(

However, if we keep it simply focused on a total point&shoot / CHDK solution I wonder if [within a powered USB hub network] a first switch [say SWITCH1] could be inserted in the final USB connection to the computer and a second switch [SWITCH2] be inserted in between mains supply and the USB hubs.

CHDK Shutter Operation would then require: 

(i) initial conditions - SWITCH1  and SWITCH2 OPEN
(ii) CLOSE SWITCH2
(iii) Wait a second [or so] for all camera's LED lights to say they're ready to shoot
(iii) OPEN SWITCH2 [i.e capture the images]

What I don't understand is whether large propogation time delays are created throughout a USB hub network via hub transfomers etc

(iv) CLOSE SWITCH1 and SWITCH2...use reyalp's alternative ptp client to transfer the images [but since that's a 40 page 392 post topic i'm sure there's a few things to be aware of  :o ;)]

I got involved at post #12 here but quickly got distracted and left it in mid-air...

http://chdk.setepontos.com/index.php?topic=9420.0 

And as a ref:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/stereo/discuss/72157603947882001/

"The way it [SDM] works is that the camera loads software from the card that adds some new camera menus and controls. one of which is a "sync mode." When this mode is activated, it enters a loop that constantly checks for a voltage on the USB port. When you press and hold the momentary contact switch, it's wired to just deliver power from the battery to the USB's regular power and ground pins. When the software in each camera detects that voltage, it executes the camera's built-in programs to focus, set preflash, etc., and then it executes another loop that just keeps checking for the power to drop. When it detects the power drop, it triggers the final firing sequence. So, you just press the button, wait a second or so for both camera's LED lights to say they're ready to shoot, and release the button to fire both cameras. The sync is very good because that "tight" loop means both cameras detect the voltage drop at very close to the same time, and the firing process after that is fairly "deterministic" (not subject to a lot of randomness), so it happens in both cameras very nearly simultaneously."
 

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General / Re: Compact Canon CDHK RAW & Lens Distortion
« on: July 27, 2013, 07:36:54 PM »
Hi Chad - apologies if you have already commented about this somewhere else [since it's the weekend i'm even lazier than usual to check the record] :-[.

I do remember briefly looking at reyalp's 'alternative ptp client' topic on chdk a few months ago but hadn't really figured out how to trigger multi cams [via usb] and also transfer images using [another switch ?] the same usb connections before I was distracted.

http://chdk.setepontos.com/index.php?topic=6231.0

Any experience you might share ?

PS: to clarify, I think I had worked out how to trigger multi-cams but not how to transfer images [if possible] using the same usb network...

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Out of interest. Where was this somewhere?

Lee, end of your FB entry 'panocamera' 19 June  :o ;) ;D

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Andrew ? our colleague who started this thread  ;)

Some interesting comment from camera-axe thread

http://www.dreamingrobots.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1902

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Re: Which (less obvious) camera settings affect camera lag?
Postby niteclicks » Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:04 pm

How fast the camera can drive the mirror also effects the lag, so you might try mirror lockup.

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Re: Which (less obvious) camera settings affect camera lag?
Postby Maurice » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:20 pm

Niteclicks, one would think you're right, but the fact is on some cameras we've observed that mirror lockup increases lag, and I have yet to see a camera where it reduces shutter lag. How mirror lockup impacts shutter lag is controlled by firmware and it seems camera manufactures aren't optimizing for low shutter lags.

If anyone finds a camera where mirror lockup reduces shutter lag I'd love to hear about it.
 

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Appreciate all the comments.

Andrew, my understanding of this:

"...so far 24x tested, syncing becomes harder. Meaning some black images. By syncing I mean syncing flashlight up to 1/250th speed. You can' t do this even with 600D's at such speeds."

Is that the variability of shutter lag [across 24 cams] is always greater than 4 millisecs i.e HIGH speed is being referred to as a low variability of shutter lag.

So, if you're not using multi-light then just use a long-exposure [from dark] together with a pack of 550D's ?

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Appreciate the info Joe / Lee.

Anything you can share about the [to me] remaining mystery:

"These things are as quick as gunslingers! Very fast and perfect sync compared to 600D's;)

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Hi Andrew,

unfortunately no answers - just exactly the same questions.

Read this somewhere:

...The results from the D800e are about as good as one can expect from the process, or so I thought until a brand-new Canon SL1 fell into the mix. The results from this 18MP dwarf SLR with kit lens are nothing short of amazing. Small size, hair, eyes, clean data, and an easy to control standard remote control port, we’ve found our camera, I believe, for the new portable human body scanning unit...


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Face and Body Scanning / Re: Synchronizing different DSLR cameras
« on: July 08, 2013, 08:15:04 PM »
wow Andrew !  i sent you a pm as well...

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Face and Body Scanning / Re: Synchronizing different DSLR cameras
« on: July 08, 2013, 12:24:53 AM »
Thanks [again] for the info Andrew - that covers my major contenders  ;) [other than these new Samsung Android types  ::)]

My memory is the flash Maurice used was a Yongnuo with light produced over about 40microsec [at the power setting he used] - that could be anywhere up to a tenth the duration of your studioflash ?
 

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Face and Body Scanning / Re: Synchronizing different DSLR cameras
« on: July 07, 2013, 03:48:35 PM »
Hi again Andrew.

Would you mind sharing the individual shutter lag / variability that you found for your Canon 550D, two 600D's, Nikon D3200 and Nikon D710 ?

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Face and Body Scanning / Re: Synchronizing different DSLR cameras
« on: July 07, 2013, 12:58:24 PM »
Hi Andrew, i'm pleased that you found a workaround. I hope you don't mind my sharing it here [for the possible benefit of others on this forum].

See http://www.dreamingrobots.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1902

"...I finally got around to improving my testing methodology and was able to both measure individual shutter lags for my cameras, AND figure out where the occasional delay was coming from. The Multi-Flash Plus pre-focuses cameras to get them ready for shortest possible shutter lag but that pre-focus command is not re-issued every time I trigger Camera Axe. I haven't noticed that before because it doesn't make virtually any difference on Nikon D7100 (one speedy camera), but for the other cams, it does, big time. So each time I am about to trigger cameras, I toggle 'ready' button on Multi-Flash Plus... A bit messy but works..."

PS Andrew - I don't remember how advanced "mrniemand" had become for the multiflash boards using his "remote control the CA via pc (better way to set CA values)" - but it may be something you'd like to investigate further ?

http://www.dreamingrobots.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1689

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Face and Body Scanning / Re: Synchronizing different DSLR cameras
« on: July 04, 2013, 06:16:33 PM »
Very interesting Andrew.

Have you used the camera-axe to test shutter lag [and it's variability] on each individual camera ? [by using a flash like this http://www.techphotoblog.com/tpb-13/ ]

Maurice Ribble [the Axe designer] sometimes replies directly to email queries or requests you open  a new forum topic here: http://www.dreamingrobots.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=8 .

I'd be interested to hear more. 

Update: I see you posted on Maurice's forum already - if you don't get any feedback please try Maurice directly.

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Hi Escplorer,

it does appear to be very good - and very expandable. You can even measure shutter lag without the need for an oscilloscope:

http://www.techphotoblog.com/tpb-13/

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Face and Body Scanning / Re: Samsung NX1000
« on: June 21, 2013, 01:03:27 AM »
something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScvuJ6cwmXk in an imacros loop ? obviously the web server address needs to be unique for each app install.

Has to be a way [if it's open to the playstore].

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Face and Body Scanning / Re: Samsung NX1000
« on: June 20, 2013, 07:43:18 PM »

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