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1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« on: September 02, 2021, 04:52:34 PM »
Hello.

Since the new version, the display of the variance does not work for me very often, but not always.
The selection works via "Gradual Selection", but the display (red, yellow, blue) is not shown.
The icon for displaying the point cloud variance is also greyed out.

Can someone test this?
(As I said, it is not always...)

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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2021, 08:03:33 PM »
Hello c-r-o-n-o-s,

Point Cloud Variance view mode is only available after Optimize Camera procedure is run with "estimate tie point covariance" option enabled.
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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2021, 08:12:46 PM »
...of course.  8)
That was not the problem.

I think it's because of that:
I did the camera optimisation very often and always deleted more cameras.
At a certain point, however, the display simply stopped coming up.
Only when the camera alignment was completely reset did it work again.
Definitely a "small" bug.

If I can repeat it more often, I could make the project available...

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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2021, 09:41:40 PM »
Hello c-r-o-n-o-s,

Can you please check, if the following steps reproduce the reported problem on your side:
- optimize alignment with "tie point variance" estimation,
- switch to point cloud variance view mode,
- remove any of the aligned cameras.
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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2021, 10:55:16 PM »
That's how it is, that's how it happens.
But I don't think it is with every camera.

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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2021, 12:21:41 PM »
Ok, we'll check it and fix.
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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2021, 02:45:59 PM »
I have now opened the project from the previous version 1.7.0.
No variance is displayed here either.

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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2022, 01:37:25 AM »
Has this been solved. Point cloud variance option is not visible for me even on 1.8.1 after running cameras optimisation with the right selection to estimate tie points covariance.
I can do gradual selection but I cannot display the point cloud variance, which is a problem.

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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2022, 02:59:23 PM »
Hello maurosacchi,

I do not see any problems with point variance display in 1.8.2. Can you please send the project with the alignment results to support@agisoft.com, so that we could optimize it on our side and reproduce the issue?
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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2022, 02:22:19 PM »
My server is processing now the dense cloud. It has almost 13000 4K frames grabbed from video and 3M+ tie points now undergoing recursive optimisation. Will do once the process is done.
Only the project files though without the frames are almost 30 GB. Shall I share this with you via DropBox?

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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2022, 06:28:51 PM »
Hello maurosacchi,

For analysis it will be sufficient to save the project in PSZ format, keeping only the following content:
- aligned camera locations,
- markers and scalebars, if available,
- reference information in the Reference pane,
- tie points.

Other products, such as key points, depth maps, dense cloud and etc. can be removed from the project copy.

To share the project you can use common file transfer services, if you do - please share the link to support@agisoft.com. (DropBox would be fine).
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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2022, 04:53:38 AM »
To share the project you can use common file transfer services, if you do - please share the link to support@agisoft.com. (DropBox would be fine).

Done. I shared it to you via DropBox Transfer. Looking forward to understanding what I do wrong or why this feature does not work in my project.

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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2022, 07:03:01 PM »
Hello maurello,

Thank you for sharing the project. We have analyzed the provided data and have found that the alignment is quite unstable and consists of big number of poorly connected components (you can check that on Connectivity tab of the Survey Statistics dialog). In this case calculation of tie point variance leads to degenerated solution, but if you reset the alignment for all the cameras except for the biggest component and then optimize the alignment - you will be able to get the variance vectors for the tie points.
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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2022, 12:35:10 AM »
It was exactly in such a project that the problem arose at that time.

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Re: 1.7.4 Point Cloud Variance
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2022, 09:08:07 PM »
Hello maurello,

Thank you for sharing the project. We have analyzed the provided data and have found that the alignment is quite unstable and consists of big number of poorly connected components (you can check that on Connectivity tab of the Survey Statistics dialog). In this case calculation of tie point variance leads to degenerated solution, but if you reset the alignment for all the cameras except for the biggest component and then optimize the alignment - you will be able to get the variance vectors for the tie points.

You mean I should reset alignment for all camera groups except the biggest one and then optimize the cameras alignment?
If I do so I loose the overall alignment, only the biggest camera group remains aligned. That's not what I am after. I need all camera groups aligned to process the model correctly.
Did I understand it right?