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Re: Samsung NX1000
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2013, 07:48:52 PM »
I'll see what happens when it turns up...it's going to be a birthday present so i can't really kick up a fuss about it..that would be very ungrateful.

Even if the WiFi turns out to be a pain I'm not that concerned, it's not like I've gone an ordered 20 of them and I could do with a smaller but good quality camera to have for everyday use rather than lugging a Canon DSLR about all the time.

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Re: Samsung NX1000
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2013, 08:16:39 PM »
I'll see what happens when it turns up...it's going to be a birthday present so i can't really kick up a fuss about it..that would be very ungrateful.

Even if the WiFi turns out to be a pain I'm not that concerned, it's not like I've gone an ordered 20 of them and I could do with a smaller but good quality camera to have for everyday use rather than lugging a Canon DSLR about all the time.

I am very interested to hear your results and thoughts about this camera.  Please keep us posted!

Greetings,

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Re: Samsung NX1000
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2013, 03:39:31 AM »
Hello!

Lee, that is a real shame about the D3200 not being able to be controlled from PC!
It is quite a turn-around for me in thinking about cameras, hehe. Before getting into 3D the goal for me was fullframe and shallow DOF, hence me getting the 5DMKII. :D
I actually was checking out the 4/3rds cameras like Panasonic GF and GH series since I have the first versions, GF1 and GH1, which were really good. They would be even more preferable due to even smaller sensor-size.
I found the GF3, which sells for a very, very low price, but ofcourse they had removed the remote shutter socket on the later models. :P
I will be updating my newly started thread with different lighting, my brother and I have a whole bunch of studio flashes, LED panels, MH and CFL lights, hehe.

Andy, that is some great information about ReMe! Something I have been pondering is working together with a photographer, so as to get access to a proper studio, lighting and know-how. That way you do the R&D, bring the many cameras and your 3D knowledge and they can bring the photography knowledge (and potential customers). That might be an idea?
I personally think this is a great time to enter the market. Things will probably progress fast with these technologies, but that just means you have to be flexible and creative and take advantage of it. I have to admit that I do this also because I love it, so I might be a bit biased, hehe.
The 4D stuff I have been thinking a lot about too. I am a relative beginner at this whole 3D thing and there are probably huge pitfalls that my lack of knowledge can't see but there seems to be a lot of options here. My thought is something along capturing quality model thru PhotoScan and driving it with kinect or motion-based technologies with things like this http://www.ipisoft.com/ or this http://forum.libcinder.org/topic/future-is-here-time-of-flight-camera-for-150-from-intel-with-sdk (this was posted in that thead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE4nllP9bb0 I can't wait to see what the future holds!) as example.
As you mention with the results from 123D catch, that is really the impression I most hope to avoid when offering to consumers, hehe. Which is why I think there is a lot of room for us to help them get quality results with no hassles (that is my goal when my skills are good enough).

mala, it will be very interesting to hear what you find out! I'd also like to thank you for the lightdome things you've posted about elsewhere (might have been here too, I might have missed, hehe), that was very, very interesting!

Best, Magnus.

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Re: Samsung NX1000
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2013, 06:48:56 AM »
@Magnus
Wow Magnus !

when I look at that Creative camera video i'm reminded of Lee's words -

"Ultimately, we’ll experience films as 3D worlds that we can step right into and interact with virtual people."

"Ultimately" may not be as long off as that word seems to imply. I guess I could [nearly] purchase my wife an Oculus / a good sensor suit / have a few decent point-clouds of "moi" taken and together with a nice[r than reality] C++ character program she could have me pop off this worldy scene post haste [and good riddance she might add :-)] only to be replaced with her Knight in shining armour. Future realities are indeed infinite !

Your "photographer / know how / studio / lighting" is a good idea - I appreciate the thought !

Your 123D catch comment indeed highlights [some of] the barriers to entry and opportunity.

@all
i'm still interested in wireless [if possible]. During the web search today I came across a [still usb wired] comment [using Linux / gPhoto control] from a chap who was trying to tightly synch multi-shutters via a C program using libgphoto2 [part of gPhoto] directly. His aim was to get all the gPhoto preloading done, then trigger the cameras [2 of only] as near to each other in time as code would allow - unfortunately he failed :-( [but noted that multi-threading might be an answer].

This led me onto the following which uses the remarkable little MK802 which I love to read about [for those that don't already know it's a tiny low-cost Android 4.0 device with WiFi /USB / microSD on board - sort of raspberry pi competition].

The interesting video off this is at - http://www.photocamcon.com/index.php?m=12&y=12&entry=entry121212-213239

The homepage link is - http://www.photocamcon.com/index.php - which includes the following text:

"Possibilities of the device - Here are few examples possibilities of use. However if you have at least small imagination you can find much more.

• Shoot via wifi straight to local USB stick or HDD.
• Remote shooting via smartphone, tablet or PC and transfer picture straight to them.
• HDR Bracketing
• Control more than one camera on different locations from PC, tablet, smartphone etc.
• Time-lapse photography.
• Tethered capture.
• I/O port – you can connect light meter, external trigger (light, voice …), shutter release etc.
• And so on
."

I am pretty sure they are using the gPhoto libraries to do this - their concept appears to be still in planning stage. Can "we" benefit ?

It looks interesting and I have already asked them for a little more information [concerning multi-cam implemetation].

My problem is that [with so little previous experience / knowledge / no sight of breeze-hartcw etc] I am unable to adequately scribe a specification that reflects what "we" may desire from their [possible] buildout.

Can anyone help ? [If you can, I pre-apologise if it turns out as just a "bunch of twaddle"]

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« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2013, 11:30:59 AM »
@Magnus...Thanks for posting the link to the ToF camera for $150!....wow!
I have been looking on/off for a couple of years at Time of Flight cams,but there has never been anything as cheap as that and it seems to be giving very good results in it's early stages of development.
I'd been looking at the PMD ToF cam...but just seemed to expensive and the results i'd seen with that were not good.
One thing to remember with ToF is that it is usually based on IR light/sensor...skin absorbs these frequencies very well,so it may be hard to get fine detail,but in combination with standard cameras it good be a very good solution.

@Andy..been watching the Photocamcon with interest too,it's actually one of the ways I think control could go if they can get multi cam support working.

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Re: Samsung NX1000
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2013, 05:28:43 PM »
I got this info from Chris Breeze recently:

"Nikon don't release SDKs for the base models and so it isn't possible to control a D3000, D3100 or D3200 from a PC."

Also it appears on SmartShooter that camera isn't listed.

It would be an ideal camera to use. 24MP, very cheap not full frame which is good. Using full frame is a massive pain I find.. limited lens range with Nikon for FX.

I would be interested to see what sort of results you get with continuous light.

Personally I can't use MLU with my rig because I have a mix of 550D and 600D. They don't sync correctly across those different models.

The Nikon's are listed as supported on the gphoto web site -

http://gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php

Anyone know a gphoto developer [and feel comfortable using a (possible) mixed Linux flavour / Windows solution] ?

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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2013, 06:58:37 PM »
Hi Guys,

 Thought I would give you a small update on my experience of this camera.

First I must say that I have not had much time so have not done any proper tests with studio lights and tripod...nor have I really looked into the WiFi control much.

..and I'm still learning the camera!

I have done some quick tests by taking groups of photos around a persons face.

This camera even with the kit lens (20-50mm) can give some very sharp focused images, it does not seem to suffer with noise as much as some Canon DSLRs do at the same ISO settings...up to ISO 400 seems fine for the kind of work I want to use the photos for...normally of course I would just use lights and keep the ISO down.

The manual focus assist is great!....it zooms the lcd display in x5 or x8 when you move the focus ring
very handy to check that sharp focus..there is another also another focus assist method but i have not tested it.

The continuos shooting mode of 8 fps is very respectable.

In terms of Wifi...all i have done is use it with my I-phone for remote viewfinder and take pictures...and use mobile link to send photos to i-phone/i-pad....this was all very easy.

I have not yet made a wired shutter adaptor cable...but I think I will have a go at the weekend if I have time.

So I think in terms of image quality it is actually a good camera even with the kit lens...I will at some point do some tests with proper studio lighting or my next LED Dome.

In terms of connectivity / image transfer...It is something I will have to continue to look at.

Photoscan had no problem at all aligning photos or building models from the photo tests.

Cheers,
mala


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Re: Samsung NX1000
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2013, 07:03:20 PM »
Appreciate that merry - not such a bad present afterall !

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Re: Samsung NX1000
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2013, 07:18:52 PM »
Hi Guys,

 Thought I would give you a small update on my experience of this camera.

First I must say that I have not had much time so have not done any proper tests with studio lights and tripod...nor have I really looked into the WiFi control much.

..and I'm still learning the camera!

I have done some quick tests by taking groups of photos around a persons face.

This camera even with the kit lens (20-50mm) can give some very sharp focused images, it does not seem to suffer with noise as much as some Canon DSLRs do at the same ISO settings...up to ISO 400 seems fine for the kind of work I want to use the photos for...normally of course I would just use lights and keep the ISO down.

The manual focus assist is great!....it zooms the lcd display in x5 or x8 when you move the focus ring
very handy to check that sharp focus..there is another also another focus assist method but i have not tested it.

The continuos shooting mode of 8 fps is very respectable.

In terms of Wifi...all i have done is use it with my I-phone for remote viewfinder and take pictures...and use mobile link to send photos to i-phone/i-pad....this was all very easy.

I have not yet made a wired shutter adaptor cable...but I think I will have a go at the weekend if I have time.

So I think in terms of image quality it is actually a good camera even with the kit lens...I will at some point do some tests with proper studio lighting or my next LED Dome.

In terms of connectivity / image transfer...It is something I will have to continue to look at.

Photoscan had no problem at all aligning photos or building models from the photo tests.

Cheers,
mala

Very cool! thanks for the info Mala!! I'm super interested to hear how you get on with the trigger cable and also data control I wonder if Francis over at Smart Shooter can assist in that department?
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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2013, 08:11:39 PM »
So I hacked together a wired remote adaptor for the NX1000 today.

Not quite as simple as making adaptors for other camera remote sockets, as the NX1000 uses the micro usb socket to connect the remote shutter release that Samsung sell.

Basically this means that you need to have a 65K resistor between GND and the ID pin on the micro USB male plug. Reason for this is that the resistance between the ID pin and GND is what tells the camera what is connected to the socket...google USB ID Pin for exact and more info if you're interested.

So after very carefully filleting a micro usb connector I made the connections needed...and it works! though doesn't look too pretty.
I will make a tiny PCB with SMD resistor and board mount sockets if I move ahead and buy more of these cameras for a full rig.

Great thing is that not only does ordinary manual or AF shooting work as expected, but also the continuous (8fps) and unlike most cameras the HD video recording can be started / paused along with AF access all from the same simple remote.

What with the resistor needed to tell the camera that a remote shutter release is connected, I'm not sure if image download over USB could also be achieved.
In theory I can see a way of making it work , but it would involve switching between USB "modes" and I'm not sure how quickly this could be done or if the camera would like it.....

So now I need to look at all the wireless side of things and somehow find some Samsung SDK....


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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2013, 04:49:01 PM »
Very cool indeed Mala. A rig consisting of those Cameras would look very slick. Very compact and I would imagine light weight?

If you can get Wireless data transfer working, reliably, a massive bonus.
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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2013, 06:47:15 PM »
Yes would be very compact and lightweight....in theory light enough for me to be able to attach cams direct to my structure and not have to bother with tripods  ;)

Just starting to look into all the image transfer and WiFi stuff...I may be some time...

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« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2013, 06:56:43 PM »
...I may be some time...

...time as they say, is of the essence... ;)

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Re: Samsung NX1000
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2013, 09:38:22 PM »
Wow!
 
That is some great stuff mala!
Seeing the Shuttercell there reminded me to ask: Do you have some info or webpage for your product?

Best, Magnus.

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« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2013, 10:41:29 PM »
Hi Magnus,

 No sorry...no website yet...I never have enough time!

ShutterCell =

1 Input (3.5mm Stereo Mini Jack- both ways connected, so AF and Shutter)

12 Output  (3.5mm Stereo Mini Jack- both ways connected)

1 "Link /Output" to connect to another ShutterCell

ALL Connections Opto-isolated  ..worst case possible delay from input trigger to output trigger 3ms...runs on 2 x AAA battery that last a very long time.


I did a little test today with the NX1000..very silly subject, but it does not move !
Manual focus, not great lighting (sun! from window and downlights in ceiling)
The little statue thing is 25cms tall BTW

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